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Midas Man
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:38:00 -
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First the F*** about with GTC pricing and cause GTC for ISK to increase drastically.
Now alot of people running multiple account cannot afford to keep them all active and so have taken to "ghost" Training on a few account and rotating them around. So CCP nerf that.
Unless you are in a huge corp that can field Blobs, Nano is your only option of remaining "relatively" safe. Nerf is coming on that.
All the new feature of the game seem to be aimed at New players.
A game that is 5 years old will find it difficult to compete for new players, not impossible as Eve gets its fair share but it will never get 1 million new customer in a month releasing a new player feature.
CCP you should realise that most of your income comes from player who have been around for years and all your doing at the moment is going round hitting all your paying customer with a nerf bat.
Look at your current stratagy and change it because right now your walking down a path to destruction especially when there are new competitors in the making.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Skogen Gump
It certainly doesn't cause me any problems at all so it's not 'all your paying customer' [sic].
This will stop alot of people training alts, hell I have 2 account that i don't use anymore but have keep resubbing and training on for almost a year, as I can no longer train them with out full subscription they wont be getting any sub from them ever again.
And as much as you feel safe in that bubble, you will be affected quite badly when subs start sliding.
You can see from all the GTC fiasko that CCP are hard pushed for cash, they may get paid in ú & $ but the Iceland flop will be having its effect.
Everyday the "Loyal" customer base is facing nerf and ramification that they are very vocal in disagreeing with.
All MMO's that make change that P*** off large portions of there community lose large portions of the community.
The GTC stuff was bad, the speed nerf is bad check the size and number of flame post in all dev blogs about it.
And this 1 blog has got almost 1500 replies in less than 12 hours of being published
Go Figure
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:20:00 -
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Due to the large Thread here CCP are now going to Nerf posting....
From now on Dev blogs are "Read Only" no replies as this king of thread size cause undue stress on the hamster run Servers and also stress's the DataBase. All characters will be limited to opening 1 new thread per month and replying to 3. Anyone ignoring this rule will be banned.
We are also introducing a new feature where you can use a GTC to wipe a ban.
We apologies for the inconvieniance you can still tell us your view by opening a petition..
From 15/10/2008 we will be reducing you Game Time by 3 day for each petition raised to cover the wages of the GM's who will anwser "Tough Luck" or "Our Logs show nothing"
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Midas Man
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Leilla Mac What are the odds on this "bug fix" borking the skill training continuing during DT. How many fixes have worked as intended without being pushed onto a test server first. I'd hope CCP have got this code worked out properly or the forums are likely to explode and a large maintenance bill will ensue. I sense a large LOL in the pipeline.
On a serious note I can see Skill training getting borked when you log out ie only online character getting trained and CCP Saying we are aware of the isssue and it will be fixed in a "later" patch.
Just think of how many GTC we would need to get to Cap Ship 5 if it only trained while online.
Maybe i should edit this post because if CCP read it (i doubt they will, they don't listen to customers anymore they can always tell the media hey we have CSM, we are the MMO leaders in Customer support LOL) they WILL like the idea and they WILL implemented purely by accident of course.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Triksterism
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Lag This change is complete crap.
Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything?
it is doing something. It's learning a new skill ...
Which is basically just a clock ticking while you take a break from the game. No bandwidth use and anyone is free to do it.
As someone stated earlier: Why should a character gain in value when there's no money being spent on said character?
What other service in the world allows you to use it without being paid for in a consistent manor? Does the phone company not bill you on the days you don't make any phone calls? Does your ISP not charge your for the days you don't serf the web? You're receiving a service and your character is progressing. You should have to pay for said service.
Fair enough but if you had a deal that when you signed were told You only pay line rental when you make a call.
Then 3 months later you get a memo say the we will now charge line rental for everyday even if you dont make a call the offer we give you was a typo. im sure youd be a bit ****ed off. now if the contract you signed says we have the right do as we please when we please. you have no case to argue.
Is this fair business practise no. And nor is what CCP are doing
An the 2000+ post is just proving to them how much they are hurting the player base who will reduce account or emoquit.
So all in all its a Lose/Lose for CCP
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Posted - 2008.10.15 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: dorannl
Originally by: Patric Riegns Open letter to CCP
The fact that the level of disgust generated by your actions is not reflected correctly on the Eve Information Portal can no longer be considered accidental. This is now a deliberate attempt to bury this. Explain how a company delivering a high tech product cannot solve a forum problem in 16 hours and counting.
its really strange that a internet company cant fix there own forum
Its even stranger that this was the only post affected....
Oh and before a dev comes and says it was getting too big and straining the server, The Speed nerf thread is running at 150 pages and is completely fine.
Why is it only post/threads in which CCP have annoyed a vast proportion of the custmer base that ever get these.... erm..... "Technical" issues.
me ponders...CCP moderatates the forums...is there more to this than co-incidence...CCP are an honest company they wouldn't lie.....they have never lied or been underhand...me shrugs must be co-incidence |
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Posted - 2008.10.15 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Midas Man on 15/10/2008 15:05:55
Originally by: Ghostess
Why the hell should I believe something that is in the bloody OFFICIAL game guide is a bug?
You shouldn't as with all problems in Eve it was Poor, ignorant, no thought process coding. The Forgot to add a check to stop skill training and other things when an account expire.
Rather than be grown up and admit there school boy error they put it in a guide. What looks better.
Hey were craptastic programmer's and made this mistake. or Hey have you tried this feature only a few of our player base currently use.
Now they have sen a way the pecieve to make money out of it. And so the childishness come out again, rather than admit to there folly of not coding for it in the first place they are now trying to pass it off as a bug.
Grow up, accept and apologies for your mistakes and be open and honest with your customers without that you struggle to keep customers and to find new ones. And without customers whats the point... |
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Posted - 2008.10.15 15:32:00 -
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For all the Moron jumping on the play for free wagon....
Why haven't you got multiple 100+ page threads about how unfair it is for people to gain
1) RP while unsubscribed - These can be farmed in vast quantities by unsubscribed accounts and is having a detrimental effect on the Datacore/Invention market
2) My buy/sell order can last for 90 Days unsubscribed. Hell i could get a free trial set up 50+ orders and wait 90 days for them to expire/fill before giving a cent of money to CCP. With 50 free orders any Trader/industrial could make billions therefore it is worth the 400-500 mil for 1 GTC to activate it and collect the fruit of you unsubscribed labour.
3) you can get 30 days research across 11 lines for free if you set jobs up b4 your sub ends.
That 3 Game breaking/unbalancing things that are causing much bigger effect on the industry/market of Eve than Dark Training ever has or will.
Character farmer who are the ones I assume CCP are pointing to when they are talking about abusing the system, but this actually helps the new player experiance- 2 months of learning or a couple of GTC for ISK. And makes ccp a nice ú20 or so for the transfer. |
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Posted - 2008.10.15 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Daxit this is sweet as , might signup another account since theres going to be less lag with all you guys quitting
Yep best get on it
Fighting yourself has got to be better than fighting noone
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Midas Man
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Grimnir
Originally by: Don Shadow
Show me ANY mmo where you need at least 1(ONE)YEAR of training to be able to use a ****ing armor or sword!
Show my ANY mmo where you can use the biggest and best armor or swords without having to either pay for your account or spend any time at it.
You sir have a good point there isn't 1 and that includes eve. You could have(Theoretically) ghost trained for 5 year (not that there is a skill that would last that long) but it aint much use on an inactive account. Now how do i use that uber 5 year skill...Oh yeah i need to sub (That is PAY if you don't get it).
Do you thik WOW would be so popular if people were still grinding for there first purple Item from doing the same raid for 3 years...No.
Now if you want to fly a Titan well you need to put about 3 years skill training in and once your in a Titan your stuck in it. Only option is to train solely for a titan (as all other skills will become void) but thats a hell of a boring 3 years till your flying it. |
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Midas Man
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Ground Edited by: Lana Ground on 16/10/2008 12:18:26 Damn forum *removed double post*
Just edit you post to read
Hi Players
We are about to stop Ghost Training
Regards
CCP Inc - (Counter Competent Programing Inc)
It would have soon disappeared lol |
Midas Man
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Korvin for those, who post here and a topic before... be a man, cancel you subscriptions
p.s. you all addcted anyway, so stfu and suffer
Unfortunately i dont subscibe I use GTC which i buy for ISK, Which is a pity because most of my accounts are paid up for 1 year or more.
I am unable to vote with my wallet.
I could delete my characters and ask them to remove my account but they've had my money so its a no vote on that one.
But i can leave the character's there and be safe in the knowledge that is ****ing up CCP's wonderful DB. I will sleep happier knowing that my offline character is generating so much Lag for those that are online |
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral Here's a test you can try out if you don't live with your parents. Go away for a month. When you come back please tell us what your landlord said about not paying him the rent since you weren't there.
More importantly, go ahead... move all your stuff into storage somewhere and try not being at your apartment for a month and not paying rent.
Can you wonder what your landlord will say then?
The same damn thing.[/justify]
Ok let bring in pointless parallels
Say you were renting a fully furnished flat.
You look over the list of funishings and see TV.
You come home from work one day and your Landlord has been in and left a note saying. Im sorry we left the TV by mistake.
You run off to find your furnishing list and see a line has been added next to TV saying "Landlord retains the right to revoke this option at any time"
Thats what CCP have done.
Most people are not against removing Ghost training its the way in which they have conducted it.
most peoples opinion is that its another screw up from CCP, and another attempt at veiling it most people including yourself have seen this over and over. and by the looks of it most people patince is running thin. |
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Simple really. Much like yourself.[/justify]
And your trying to call me a child.
Lets evaluate
who started the name calling.
And its usually you that flames people for bring real life analogies into the game.
You sir are a hypoCRIT (just to equate it to Game terminology)
oh and by the way Copy and Pasting intullectual information from Wiki doesn't make you smart.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral [justify] Originally by: Midas Man oh and by the way Copy and Pasting intullectual information from Wiki doesn't make you smart.
It appears reading is not your strong suit. The link did not go to any Wiki.
Self pwnzor 4tl.
erm and where did i state that that post related to copy/paste from wiki.
Your whole life is spent in a basement you think your uber good because your Isk balance is phat. Your claims of being interlectual are only testament to 16 hours a day you spend google searching and wiki's.
And you get a boner from forum whoring from your high Horse.
Step down from that horse take a wander out of your basement, there is more to life than Eve-O forums and Isk making. |
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Midas Man on 16/10/2008 15:14:34
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Hun Jakuza No, we hate the gaylentes, so we dont go to adult club. :D
Where are all the good men?They already have boyfriends!For a girl the are real slim pickings when looking for a man with class, cleanliness, and intelligence. So I'm happy them gaylentes are around. (Female toon, I'm not female.)
Ahhh got you so your one of these internet pervs who pretends to be a young girl to prey on other unsuspecting young girls.
There are alot on the internet but atleast we unveiled 1
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Posted - 2008.10.27 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Aiel I dont put it past CCP at this point to buy accounts and keep them active just to make it look like theres more ppl playing than there are and to be able to claim higher sub numbers than they actually have so the ppl leaving wont influence their numbers :p
In fact your on to something there, It would also explain the rise in GTC price. let me explain.
1) CCP creates 30000 trail accounts. 2) CCP gives those Trial accounts 1 Billion each 3) CCP buys 30000 GTC from time code bizaar.
Numbers for illustration and are probably higher to off set the exodus, while keep those spend RL money on GTC with the feeling the game is growing not dieing.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:06:00 -
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I think this explains alot
"If anything, the birth of an idea usually takes months. Thatæs after the mud wrestling, rotten shark eating contests and a host of other of battles take place, usually under the influences of alcohol (now you know my strength and why Iæm here)."
from this blog An Explination
This explains a whole lot me thinks
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Posted - 2008.11.21 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Midas Man on 21/11/2008 11:04:37 Edited by: Midas Man on 21/11/2008 11:03:17
Originally by: Doctor Penguin Face it you twits, you've lost.
I agree with the chap that said that he didn't care that CCP had "lied" to him. If your so mentally insecure as for that to bother you, I'd advise seeing a shrink about a bad case of irrational paranoia.
Pay or leave.
Im sure you would be happy if they announced a new expansion and on the day of release put it on the Forum that the expantion will cost $30. They can do that if they want. And Im sure you would be even happier knowing they had said numerous times they would never charge for expantions.
Would you also be happy if they decided to kill all your skill, assets and Isk with no warning. They have the RIGHT to do it whenever and for whatever reason. It would anger the player base and make them leave but im sure YOU would be happy to stay because CCP have the right to do it.
Would you be happy if you local shop advertised x goods at x price but when you got their the price was double and the shop assistant says " in the terms and conditions under the ad it states 'We have the right to change this offer at any time'"
Get a grip on reality mate no matter how small or insignificant you see this LIE to be it, is still a LIE and nobody should ever Trust someone who LIE's I leave you to work out why.
Edittied to add, Your sig is fantastic, for someone who believes it is acceptable to Lie I can understand why your plotting Humanities downfall. You should change it to "I plotted the downfall of my humanity in 1978 and succeeded quickly" |
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Posted - 2008.11.24 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Midas Man on 24/11/2008 10:22:13
Originally by: Terces Yp's Yup, this has already been posted in the thread. Also that the same site that did the interview, later mentioned the removal of the feature as a fiasco. That's when people started to mention that word more often about CCP.
So no new news for this thread. It's drying up and dying with reluctance.
CCP Marketing Team: "Hey sign your buddies up to eve and get 30 days added to your account per each upgraded trial account"
This thread is no longer significant to CCP anymore... give it up people & surrender!
Never Give up, the thread is slowing because most people (Who use the forums, small % of total Population) have made there opinion known. Also alo of people will be running out of Game time and not resubbing so no longer able to post.
I can continue posting untill January with 2 accounts and June with a further 3 after that my posting privaleges are gone.
I will keep posting here from time to time to remind CCP im only here because i payed before this BS move and i would imagine there are many more people in this situation.
CCP have dropped a bomb again and yet again they fail to apologies for "calling" all their player base dence, thick, unintellegent or however else you perceive these blatent lies. Lies can only work against people with less knowledge of the situation so CCP obviously though we all had less knowledge not a good way to treat you customers.
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Posted - 2008.12.22 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Roto Rooter
I no longer care much whether my active chars are training every second of the day, nor that my inactive chars are not training.
Glad its not just me, it seems almost every time i log on i'm greated by "Skill Training Completed". Now if only there was someway to get over my Isk addiction and I will be able to eventually cancel my 3 remaining accounts.
Funny thing I find in all this, It appears CCP are ignoring their older players hoping for the Newbie crowd to replace them. With the huge exploit that has just been uncovered and the massive cost for industrials/producers to run accounts. This game is getting more and more Noob unfriendly. Tech 2 prices are going up and will continue to go up due to mineral shortages, this will cause people to start flying T1 instead causeing T1 prices to rise to some extent. Large production characters producing less causing more upwards movement.
Over in Market Discussions there has been debate about why there hasn't been massive inflation due to the vast ammounts of Isk entering the system each day. Well with the events that has transpired over the last few months I see massive Inflation hitting all area's of the Eve market, not a nice time to be a new Eve player or a player with low Isk Reserves
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Posted - 2008.12.23 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Midas Man on 23/12/2008 10:10:08 To all you CCP fainbois, show your support for my idea in my sig.
To everyone like myself that thinks the handling of this was poor support the thread in my sig. The ridiculous reasons stated reminds me of how a 5 year old trys to talk themselves out of trouble.
To all those invisible people that these fainbois argue with who actually believe Ghost training is their right as a customer please refrain from flaming my thread.
Thanks for all your support let unsubbed benefits out of EVE
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Posted - 2008.12.23 10:14:00 -
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Oh also, if anyone can be bothered I am sending daily Exploit report on this untill its fixed, I would send one but from the recent thread about the POS expoit I dont think 1 will be enough. so Exploit report away and lets get all these feature/bugs/exploits cleaned from the game.
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Posted - 2008.12.23 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Twarda Sztuka Ghost training was available for many years. Plenty of people did that (often unaware that this is a bug). And it costed CCP revenue. So once the decision was made it was resolved almost immediately. I wonder how many years we will have to wait for skill queuing.
I don't mind the fact that only paying accounts should be able to train, but the training should be PAUSED and the moment subsription is paid it should be RESUMED.
What is your stance on the Datacore Farmers?, ie set up research job lapse subscription and wait 6 months, Reactivate and reap the rewards of unsubbed research????
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Posted - 2008.12.23 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Grash Freedom some very valid points
Pst please support my thread in Assembly hall, linked in my sig, I have suggested all these unfair unsubbed isk making schemes are removed like GT was.
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Posted - 2008.12.23 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon
What is your stance on the Datacore Farmers?, ie set up research job lapse subscription and wait 6 months, Reactivate and reap the rewards of unsubbed research????
Shhhh, don't say anything, maybe they'll not change it 4tw. \o/
TBH they need to change that one more than most, that exploit ruins part the tech2 market, and it is used to a massive extents where people are funding their accounts from it. Unlike Ghost training which only indirectly hurt other players by allowing cheaper skill points which it came at the cost of the account being otherwise useless unless it was datacore farming aswell. Where as Datacore farming accounts are active all the way through their unsubbed periods, and cause active player to get much less reward for their research ie cheaper datacores.
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Posted - 2009.06.08 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar Why is everybody even asking why this is being done? I mean come on! Training a character is like playing the game, if your not playing (because your subscription is inactive or suspended) then training should stop. This is perfectly normal.
Are you people seriously complaining because CCP doesn't want to be able to train your character for free?
nope people are complaining because of the lies ccp told in regards explaining this change. And CCP lack of responce on the valid question of why only unsubbed training, when unsubbed RP gain, market orders, research etc does more damage to the game. |
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Posted - 2009.07.14 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: gpfwestie Just signed up for the 5 Day free resub !!!!!!
Now I've found this topic I can put it to some use.
Thank's CCP, this ghost training 'fix' has saved me about 8 months subs so far (4 on each toon), this has come just at the right time what with the recession and everything.
Don't know why you lot are all complaining, CCP just keep giving.
last time i got a 5 day free sub I was able to use the link 5 times try it you may get more free time than you thought and as CCP dont read this thread it will stay secret
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